Illinois concealed carry made a significant stride today with the latest proceedings from Springfield. Those who have been following the Illinois concealed carry journey will remember that back in December 2012, the Supreme Court ruled the Illinois ban of concealed carry as unconstitutional. They then set a limit of six months for the state to devise its own concealed carry legislation—or else the statewide law would default to “constitutional carry” (i.e., concealed carry without a permit requirement). In the legislators’ scramble, they agreed on a bill including:
- A “may issue permit” (to be approved by local law enforcement)
- 16 hours training requirement—the highest in the nation
- $150 permit fee ($300 for out-of-state permit applicants – no reciprocity with any other state)
- Prohibiting concealed carry
- on various modes public transportation
- in government buildings
- in stadiums
- in restaurants where more then 50% of revenue comes from the sale of alcoholic beverages
During the one month extension, Governor Pat Quinn vetoed several components of the proposal, calling for several restrictive measures including:
- Prohibiting concealed carry in any restaurant where alcohol is sold.
- Limiting concealed carriers to only one firearm at a time.
- Banning firearms from any private property unless the owners posted signage permitting firearms on the premises.
The legislation approved today overrode the Governors vetoes to the previous Illinois concealed carry bill by 41-17 in the Senate and 77-31 in the House. The revised legislation also converts the “may issue” system proposed in last month’s bill to “shall issue.” If permit applicants pass background checks, have proof of completing the 16hr training requirements, and possess a Firearm Owner ID card, they will receive a permit. Illinois police departments have been granted six months to make preparations to accept applications.
We are indeed living in some very precarious and confusing times whereby we are witnessing both significant gains and losses pertaining to The Second Amendment largely based upon your State of residence–Here we see unprecedented favorable changes in the ‘State of Chicago’ (AKA IL.) while seeing huge gun-rights regressions in CO., NY, NJ etc…Bottom line in all of this for us is that the need to maintain absolute vigilance will be essential going forward as the Antis will stop at nothing short of continued regulation after regulation until such time that RKBA is rendered null and void. Stay in the fight because rest assured our opponents will.
Pro2AGuy Or…move out of CO, NY or NJ.
Pro2AGuy Agreed… not all the new legislation enacted of late has been “firearm rights friendly,” so to speak, but I’m glad to at least see progress for the last state of the union to secure concealed carry rights for its citizens.
FateofDestinee SethTowerHurd Totally agree in that I wholeheartedly agree and rejoice in the absolute success in IL. as pointed out in the article! In fact, if it can be done in Obama & Holder’s own backyard (this was SOLID Anti grounds for a LONG time to be sure), logic would dictate that we can hold our own if not make further inroads in other States (reciprocity next in IL. for example)!
Pro2AGuy FateofDestinee SethTowerHurd My fingers are crossed!
I love that a legislative majority had the brains to overrule an idiot governor! More people need to stand up more often. It’s time for the majority to cease to be silent!
kinkoshinkai The only reason it happened was that the Illinois State courts overrode the veto, and forced the legislature to put some kind of law together. Otherwise, Illinois would have probably never had C.C.
kinkoshinkai I’m glad to see that IL is no longer the only state in the US without some sort of concealed carry.
Luckily I live in a state that has slowly been liberalizing the laws.But we still can’t carry a loaded handgun in the trunk even without a CCW. 🙁 But at least we can carry loaded mags now.
Jim P. Baby steps, eh?
FateofDestineeJim P.What I’d like to see is that you can carry concealed or open in state without a license, even in a vehicle. If you want to carry out of state you need a license. Or even a license required, but it is observed like a driver’s license. Reciprocated in all the states.
Jim P. FateofDestinee Why not, current laws don’t stop the criminals from carrying everywhere, no law ever will. Even the odds, let law abiding citizens carry without fear of unreasonable laws.
I’m a little confused, could someone explain me a couple of things please:
What does a may-issue involves?
Do you have to obtain a permit for every state in wich you want to carry, or a permit could be valid in states with the same carry laws?
AlessioBaldiWhen you obtain a permit to carry in the state you live in, your permit is good in that state. Some states have reciprocity agreements with other states, meaning that your permit is also valid in those states as well. Illinois chose to NOT have any reciprocity with any other state. This means that your Illinois permit is no good in any other state and a permit from any other state is no good in Illinois.
JoeFabeetz AlessioBaldi Here’s a map that will show you what states you can, and cannot, carry in.
http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry_permit_reciprocity_maps.html
Understood, thanks guys ;).
And what about the may-issue?
AlessioBaldi “May issue” is a law that requires you to go in front of a judge/sheriff, and give a reason as to why you “need” a concealed carry permit.
In this case, a judge/sheriff can reject you for basically any reason they feel like. New York, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Hawaii, New Jersey and Deleware are “May issue” states.
The rest are “shall issue,” meaning the burden falls on the state to show why you shouldn’t carry (a history of violence/mental illness), a felony, a drug conviction, etc.
Hope that helps 🙂
Ok, thanks.
So in may-issue states it works just like here in Italy. Here is the prefect who decides if someone have the needing to carry. I just hope your judges/sheriffs be more generous than our prefects ;D
AlessioBaldi If you get a permit, can you carry anywhere in Italy?
Nope, it’s forbidden to carry in courts, polling places, stadiums and where ther is congregation of people. On ships and ferries, the gun must be kept by the commander for all the travel lenght.We can carry up to three pistols or revolvers, but not guns specifically made for matches. We can’t shoot expansive bullets for self defense.
AlessioBaldi As Seth elaborated, “shall issue” means that, provided the applicant fulfills the legal requirements, if they *shall* be issued a permit. But, in “may issue,” those who approve permits (usually local law enforcement) get to decide whether or not an applicant “deserves” to carry, and they have the right to revoke the application if they feel the need for CCW isn’t justified (generally speaking).
AlessioBaldi Some states have reciprocal agreements where they’ll recognize CCW permits from another state, but IL is not one of those.
That’s a pretty high fee. Does anyone recall if that is per year? If I recall, my permit was $60.00 and its good for five years. They sure tried to make this as restrictive as they could.
JoeFabeetz It’s $150 for 5 years for in-state people, and $300 for 5 years for those living outside of Illinois.
It’s too much, but I’m just so thankful to finally have it, I don’t care.
SethTowerHurd JoeFabeetz Sooo…to quote Steve Martin in The Jerk, “its a profit deal”. Ya know when you think about it, the state is stupid for not allowing CC all this time. Look at all the revenue they lost.
SethTowerHurd JoeFabeetz I agree. FINALLY! This is stringent but doable.
LulaRoze SethTowerHurd JoeFabeetz Hi Lula. ShouldIbehere from Youtube. Small world we have here. lol
JoeFabeetz LOL! Great to see you here too!
JoeFabeetz I live right across the Mississippi in Missouri and we had similar issues when our CCW Law was originally enacted some 10+ years ago now (eventually MO. CCW Law was decided in the State Supreme Court). Long story short, I opted to get a Florida CCW as Missouri has reciprocity with FL and the FL. CCW License is for 5+years @ $175. Problem is as far as I know IL. does not allow for ANY reciprocity which sucks for me in particular being right on the Mississippi border of MO/IL. I am sure Conservative Lawmakers in IL. will work in concert with the NRA GOA etc. to achieve reciprocity.
JoeFabeetz It’s a 5yr permit, but as Seth points out, it is indeed purposefully restrictive. But, better than nothing!
Does this apply to the street gangster or to the drug dealer when they are carrying let alone doing drive by shootings, or having gun fights in the streets? Instead of punishing the people causing the problems, Illinois makes it expensive and inconvenient for people who want to legally protect themselves. Maybe Illinois should fix their corruption problems before they go around telling their law abiding citizens how and when they can protect themselves.
As a resident of Illinois as much as i try and get excited about this, they laws will be so corrupted you will only be able to carry from your house to your car, lol. The other thing about this is who is going to benefit from the CC classes? From what I hear, ex law enforcement and ex military will only get i think five hours credit toward the course, even though I took the 40 hour law enforcement class. In addition, the amount of time to get a FOID card is six months wait, I can’t imagine how long the CC will take. I guess its a step in the right direction, but then again it is Illinois.
As a resident of Illinois as much as i try and get excited about this, they laws will be so corrupted you will only be able to carry from your house to your car, lol. The other thing about this is who is going to benefit from the CC classes? From what I hear, ex law enforcement and ex military will only get i think five hours credit toward the course, even though I took the 40 hour law enforcement class. In addition, the amount of time to get a FOID card is six months wait, I can’t imagine how long the CC will take. I guess its a step in the right direction, but then again it is Illinois.