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Published on November 17th, 2013 | by James "Aaargo Jay" Henry

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The Knockout Game: How to Avoid It

Recently in several cities across America,  a new game has swept through the metropolitan areas and is showing up in small towns.  The game is called “Knockout.” In this game, teenagers pick out unassuming strangers, walk up to them, and hit them as hard as possible in attempts to “knock them out.” Here in Milwaukee, WI they call it “Point’em Out – Knock’em Out.” Being an educator, I have seen this game played far too many times. It shames me to know that the youth of America find this to be amusing and do not see the danger and stupidity in this game. I find it violent and disgusting, and it alarms me to note how it is spreading.

What is more alarming to me is that, when the story broke on social media sites, some members of the firearm owners community expressed that their response to this game’s epidemic, would be to use their firearm. I can see where one might feel that this is a serious threat and deadly force may be needed, but I fear the legal system may not agree with this notion. Trying to prove the disparity of force, and/or threat of imminent death/severe bodily harm may be more difficult than imagined.

Because of this, I feel compelled to share with you all some tips from my experience as security personnel to help yourself not become a target—for “Knockout” or other crimes, such as mugging or robbery. These tips are not foolproof means to discourage a would-be-attacker, but they will certainly give you an advantage.

Disclaimer: The Arms Guide is not a source of legal counsel. If you have any questions about your state’s laws surrounding concealed carry or the application of deadly force, consult a legal professional.

1. Situational awareness (SA) is paramount.

You don’t just have to have your SA on in areas you deem bad. Trouble may find you anywhere whether you invite it or not.  Know what’s going on around you at all times—where you are, what direction you are headed, what street you are on, where the exits are, etc. That way, if something happens, you know where to turn to remove yourself from the situation, or in the least, you can provide the police with a detailed report.

2. Don’t invite trouble.

If you are walking in public, the less of you that is exposed, the better.  Don’t give thugs a target—physically or materially. You can’t steal what you can’t see, my friends. Keep your vulnerable body parts covered as much as possible. Hats, caps, and scarves also provide some type of cover.  These items will not stop a punch if someone decides to hit you; however, these items will cause thugs to have to find a way to “hit around” them, making you a more challenging target.

3. Location, location, location!

Location is everything.  If a thug can’t access you,  they can’t hit you. Physically place yourself in a position where no one can “creep up” on you. If you are outside, stand with your back to a wall where you can see all the different angles of approach. Position yourself near buildings that have lots of glass—the reflective surfaces can act as extra sets of eyes, increasing your field of vision.

4. Before drawing your concealed carry weapon, make sure your belongings and body parts are clear.

You don’t want anything messing with your draw if you can help it. If you want to put your hand on your firearm before you deploy it, consider how that behavior may communicate the fact that you have a gun to those around you. When determining where to position your holster, you’ll have to find your own balance between concealability and accessibility.

5. DO NOT LOOK LIKE A TARGET.

Look confident. Establish eye contact with the people around you. That lets them know you’re aware of them. If you must listen to music while in public, use only one ear bud and have the volume low enough to hear what is going on around you. Don’t let your iPod get you knocked out or worse.

Featured image courtesy of contributor Ljupco via iStockphoto.com


53 comments
ScottSmith7
ScottSmith7

Thank you for posting this article and offering advice.   Now, to everyone reading this, here is my advice.   Continue doing what you like to do...and wherever you like to do it.   If these punks try to knock you out, immediately pull out your registered firearm and put a hole in their head the size of a softball.  That should give their idiot friends something to think about next time.   And the beauty is....self defense in a lethal situation is LEGAL.   Don't be afraid to kill the punk because a hard blow to the head could kill YOU!

JonathanCockwaters
JonathanCockwaters

Trying to prove the disparity of force? GMAFB. They are trying to cave in the side of your skull.

belairjeff
belairjeff

if i'm attacked and i'm armed, i'm not thinking about how the law will construe my actions. i'm thinking "my aim is very good." no questions asked.

No Wonder
No Wonder

"I can see where one MIGHT feel that this is a serious threat and deadly force MAY be needed, but I FEAR the legal system MAY NOT agree with this notion." Yep, written by a liberal. These are black teens, and it's already deadly force. NO ONE "looks like a target" or is "inviting trouble" with this HATE CRIME and the perpetrators deserve what's coming to them.

shawmutt
shawmutt

Ugh, as predictable as the tides.  The media reports a "new" phenomena, the blogs run with it, the bigots comment, the conspiracy theorists comment...

...round and round and round we go...

Are any of you really convinced this is some kind of new thing?  As far as I know random acts of violence have been happening for a while in the human species.  This shit was going on 20 years ago in my neighborhood, and my dad told stories about it when he was a kid.  The ONLY thing that makes it seem significant is that the media decided to do a report on it.

geoffbeneze
geoffbeneze

TEENAGERS? How many of them are white? 

Why not be honest and say BLACK teenagers?

kevin well
kevin well

I'll say it if no one else will, these are hate crimes done by young black men on whites.

If it were the other way around the media would be all over it. Be prepared to protect yourself if you feel threatened by one of these punks because no one else will.

Principlex
Principlex

First off, stop calling it game.  It's a crime. 

TomTindell
TomTindell

To go along with #5, I see so many not aware of their surroundings as they are looking at their phones while walking, not paying attention at all.

MattGodbout
MattGodbout

If you shoot a few in the face, the rest will listen.

S1975
S1975

People Say there glad you created this article, I think its sad that you have to. When is the United states going to wake up and stop this madness. Why do I need to be non stop on the look out for my safety and health when on a public road. Why do my children have to be afraid to go to school, fear of getting a beat down because of the cloths they wearing or maybe just because it's a "Wednesday". STOP giving those dumb kids social recognition, if people keep on watching those YouTube videos and placing comments by the millions, what message is this sending to those kids? Are we going to wake up or are we on a step down path for the United States as we knew it?

MelissaWilson2
MelissaWilson2

BULL HOCKEY! People have been KILLED by hard punches. I myself have broken a 2" thick piece of concrete in martial arts class, with JUST my palm. The clowns that do this "game" are using potentially LETHAL FORCE and like that old saying goes, I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6!

"What is more alarming to me is that, when the story broke on social media sites, some members of the firearm owners community expressed that their response to this game’s epidemic, would be to use their firearm. I can see where one might feel that this is a serious threat and deadly force may be needed, but I fear the legal system may not agree with this notion. Trying to prove the disparity of force, and/or threat of imminent death/severe bodily harm may be more difficult than imagined."

KennethChin
KennethChin

The problem is, that in most cases CJ Turino is correct. Most of the cases reported also show that the assailant is backed up by however many of their gang it takes to deliver a 'beat down.' 

I may initially respond as I would with a lone assailant, but I'd have eyes open to the possibility of being flanked.

shadowkindred
shadowkindred

I always carry a baton along with my concealed firearm. My baton is my go to if I am being threatened physically but don't necessarily feel like I'm gonna die. My firearm is my secondary or if I feel like someone is gonna kill me whether it be a weapon used against me or a group attacking me.

cjturino
cjturino

I like that you created this article to reduce the number of victims and spread awareness.  People live in code white and they really shouldn't.  I don't however agree with your assumption that it will be difficult to prove the situation required lethal force.  From what I have seen on the news the attack is carried out by one individual but his friends are usually close by.  If you get into a tussle with the attacker I'm sure you will be quickly assaulted by the rest of his/her crew.  You can't defend yourself legally with assumptions but the fact that any reasonable person would fear bodily harm is definitely there.   Now take that with the number of deaths that have resulted from this game and I think you have a solid case of self defense.  In any case, if I am assaulted in this manner I might not use my firearm but I will respond violently with the intention of stopping the threat at all cost.  Hopefully this will result in a non-repeat offender.  ;-)

hartcreek
hartcreek

If you are to take the included articles photo as what one is to encounter.......I see three corpses on the concrete in less then a minute if they do not turn and run.

hartcreek
hartcreek

This is nothing new everyone just needs to be reminded so that they are situational aware and practice drawing from their holster and practice with head sized targets on the range.   Ones body language tellsalot to a potential perp.  If you carry yourself lie a victim you will be one.

TimU
TimU

I think the best piece of advice to give on the "knock out" game is this: avoid urban youth whenever possible, especially the ones with pants sagging below their butt.


There are several trends in these attacks, and not all of them are politically correct or acceptable.  There are certainly some urban sub-cultures that perform a disproportionate amount of the attacks compared to others.

In short, if they look like riff raff, assume they are and avoid them.  If they aren't trouble makers and get upset that you are profiling based on attire and demeanor, well that's their fault for emulating such a destructive element of society.

Barnes
Barnes

I'm only 20 but I still don't understand how this has become a "game." I don't even see the fun in it? It all comes down to parenting problems. My parents would have kicked my behind if I had ever even taken part in this. 

FateofDestinee
FateofDestinee

@Z0mb3hHunt3r and @protias Hey guys, first and foremost, I wanted to thank you for sharing your opinions on Jay's post. We at The Arms Guide like to encourage discussion and debate. But, it is our goal to keep The Arms Guide a friendly site. Having said that, your thread has escalated beyond friendly debate. I think you both make great points, but I would like to ask you tone it down a bit. Thanks, guys.

1tyme
1tyme

Have they determined a pattern in victims (i.e. physically small, not paying attention, race)? I'm guessing these shitheads haven't run into a pipehitter yet.

shawmutt
shawmutt

Probably the closest I came to drawing on someone was when a random dude approached me at a gas station.  I turned to see what was going on and he lit up a taser he had in his hand.  When he realized he had my undivided attention he mumbled something about selling things from his trunk and moved the other way.  Only takes a second or two of inattentiveness...

protias
protias

If you CC, the attacker sees you as just another possible victim.  I recommend OC. 

ACMoor1
ACMoor1

@shawmuttwell said. still doesn't mean if you're white and passing a group of rambunctious teens one shouldn't have their head on a swivel. It's not a matter of judging the trend, it's about living around it intelligently.  http://muzzlefront.com/knock-out/

ThorDeSchane
ThorDeSchane

@S1975 While there is something to be said for over-saturation, keeping your head in the sand by ignoring the issue is not going to help anyone either. If those kids are seeing those millions of comments as encouragement, despite the fact that those comments largely revolve around shooting them for playing knockout, then that is a fault of parenting for not giving them one bit of common sense  or decency, which most teenagers are capable of, despite what you hear from the people trying to deflect blame to tv, movies, videogames, etc.

Johnnygo7
Johnnygo7

@MelissaWilson2  I fended off 6 Thugs with a illegal .357 under my jacket. They only had fists and knives, Back then. Now I still have an unregistered weapon larger and more ammo, knives, a sword cane, machete. All hidden. Surprise is one of your best weapons.. I am 77 and need to know every trick I can find. Check out YouTube. Check out " cane fu " on YouTube.

jbeltzsnyder
jbeltzsnyder

@shadowkindred How do you carry the baton? I assume you have a comfortable and discreet method. Also, what kind of baton? (I like the idea, just curious how practical it is.)

Z0mb3hHunt3r
Z0mb3hHunt3r

@FateofDestinee  Apologies on that front Des. I edited my comment to make it less aggressive and I hope I am still welcomed as a friend here. Again, truly sorry. 

TimU
TimU

@1tyme The majority of the cases I have seen in the news have been black on white crime (black youth targeting white middle-aged or older business types, occasionally going after a white youth).

Z0mb3hHunt3r
Z0mb3hHunt3r

@1tyme From what I have saw, it is usually White business-looking men in their late 40s, though I have saw Young white men with their girlfriends being attacked this way (one in particular was hit so many times without going down they eventually jumped him) and I saw 1 crackhead being knocked out that way. 

Z0mb3hHunt3r
Z0mb3hHunt3r

@protias If they see your firearm, they look at it as an opportunity to gain access to a firearm if you are inattentive, and that is if they do not think you are a cop. Now if you're firearm is concealed then yes you are looked at as just another person, what the advantage is though is that they do not know you have a firearm and cannot steal it unless it is in an obvious spot. This is coming from an open carrier. I carry my Gen 4 Glock 17 in a Gould and Goodrich 4500 Basketweave double retention holster, and 2 spare magazines. I also carry a fix bladed knife in front of my Glock as an alternative defensive measure and I carry a Smith and Wesson Model 36 Chief's Special as a back up gun. I have never been stopped in the almost 5 years I have been OCing, and I get all kinds of praise. I am not one of those filmers looking for attention. 

S1975
S1975

@ThorDeSchane @S1975 Believe me I'm far from ignoring anything or having my head stuck in the sand, the pure fact is that most of those kids commit those crimes and yes in my eye's its a crime what there doing, with there mind set to upload those videos to see who can collect the highest amount of  comments, while they don't care what the comment is about, just nr. count. 

dcrasta
dcrasta

@jbeltzsnyder @shadowkindred I have a wrist holster for my mini -expanding baton.  I also have a set of iron chopsticks called 'iron fingers' on my other wrist.  Easy to deploy and lethal if you know how to use them.



shadowkindred
shadowkindred

@jbeltzsnyder @shadowkindred depends on what I'm wearing and what gun I'm carrying. I carry my sig229 in a custom dragon holster IWB. My gun on the right, Two mags and baton on the left. It's super comfortable because the weight is evenly distributed around my waist. I carry my Ruger LCR in an OWB on my right side with my baton in a maglight holster on the left. I like the mag light holster because when people see it, they don't think anything of it. The baton is expandable, is 6" closed and 16" opened

FateofDestinee
FateofDestinee

@protias @FateofDestinee @Z0mb3hHunt3r Thank you too, @protias for your response. It's great that we have an understanding. We at TAG welcome your bluntness while sharing your opinions. I just like to encourage a friendlier tone. Happy reading!

ThorDeSchane
ThorDeSchane

@S1975 @ThorDeSchane @S1975@ThorDeSchane Excuse me. When I first read your comment, I thought you were criticizing Jay for writing it, as if he were the one giving the kids publicity. Yes, the youtube videos, and I believe the last time I heard about it, it was world all-star hip-hop, or some similar website are the driving factor behind these attacks. I can only hope their arrogance turns to hubris when someone tracks them down and prosecutes them because they put the videos online.

ThorDeSchane
ThorDeSchane

@S1975 @ThorDeSchane Excuse me. When I first read your comment, I thought you were criticizing Jay for writhing it, as if he were the one giving the kids publicity. Yes, the youtube videos, and I believe the last time I heard about it, it was world all-star hip-hop, or some similar website are the driving factor behind these attacks. I can only hope their arrogance turns to hubris when someone tracks them down and prosecutes them because they put the videos online.

1tyme
1tyme

I think a cop should be given the benefit of the doubt when he meets an open carry. However, if he is unprofessional or "bad," as you've described, he / she has nothing coming. If he is CRIMINALLY doing something wrong, he should be burned at the stake.

Not to besmirch your experience or views, but I've encountered a great number of CA open carriers and they have struck me as antagonists and wannabes. I am, however, in FULL support of properly licensed and qualified citizens carrying loaded firearms in public. We as Californians need to do what the folks in CO did and hold politicians accountable in regards to gun laws.

Z0mb3hHunt3r
Z0mb3hHunt3r

@1tyme Thank you for putting in on this. I have stopped replying since, as Des clarified it was over. I really do not see the point of carrying a unloaded firearm (and I look at empty chamber carrying as unloaded too). Mine is always hot, last time I needed it, I didn't have the time to ask the aggressor to give me a minute to rack my slide. Though I am lucky to live in a firearm friendly state, where even the LEO's in my town advise callers of carry rights and I am friends with the old school guys on the force. I have been getting updates about the replies and as much as I would love to, I am bound not to continue on. 

protias
protias

@1tyme This happened here in WI last week where a police officer threatened to shoot an OCer in the head:  http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/showthread.php?118552-Police-threaten-to-shoot-OCer-in-the-head.  You can search my name for getting harassed for OCing, MKEgal. Madison 5, etc, etc, etc.

 I do agree with you though that unloaded OC is stupid.  It really is a shame CA (among other states) has mostly prohibited self defense, empowering the criminal to not have much fear of getting shot.  I know there are a lot of good cops out there and I wish we'd hear more about them, unfortunately we mostly hear about the bad ones.  A good book to read is "Cop Out."  It is no longer printed but an excellent read if you can find it.

1tyme
1tyme

I'm glad you like to call people out when you spot false tales. I do too. Now I can only speak to the open carry movement in CA, but your comment pertaining to members of LE "harassing" people is conclusory. The appearance of cops harassing people who openly heel EMPTY pistols stems from the fact that those cops were not educated on the laws of open carry. When the person openly carrying an empty pistol flaunts this, provokes LE and videos their response, what is achieved?

Gang members in CA became aware of this open carry movement and started rolling people with openly-carried and empty pistols. Makes no sense to me. If a group wants to carry CCW or openly carry a loaded pistol, start lobbying politicians and voting with your dollar. Don't drain LE resources by flaunting an empty pistol. Trust me, most cops wish good citizens could carry loaded handguns in public.

protias
protias

@Z0mb3hHunt3r @protias There was an OCer robbed of his firearm in Milwaukee as well, but there was a CCer in MN who lost his as well (http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2012/05/30/man-accused-of-stealing-gun-from-conceal-and-carry-holder/).  So 2 OCers were targeted on purpose, but from the Guns Save Lives site, people who CC defend themselves over 1200 times a day.  It seems people who CC (or unarmed) are targeted far more often than those who OC.  If you are active on the OCDO (OpenCarry.org) site, you'll see how often OCers are only targeted by police (for harassment) and not criminals.  Most criminals have self preservation in mind, but not all of them.  They might be on some type of drug and don't care about anything.  Last year there were lots of mob attacks across the country.  The best situational awareness isn't going to help in that situation. :(

Z0mb3hHunt3r
Z0mb3hHunt3r

@protias @Z0mb3hHunt3r It is a given that Open carriers are armed, as otherwise they wouldn't be a carrier/open carrier. While you are waiting patiently hopefully you will realize that Police officers are citizens, and that they open carry their duty pistols. Given that fact, they are attacked all of the time without deterrence.  http://www.koat.com/news/new-mexico/Police-2-Wrestle-Over-Gun-Inside-Restaurant/-/9153762/6129504/-/316cd4/-/index.html There is a story of an Open carrier attacked. I still do it everyday (Even at home). But the reality that it can make you a target is not a new thing and it is paramount to have a heightened sense of situational awareness. The aggressor in the article was a criminal impersonating a LEO, and the Victim was an Open carrying citizen.

 I hope this reply is toned down enough Des, Apologies. 

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